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[AnitaLaLouise]

You know, when someone first said that Bill had endorsed Romney, I rolled my eyes. I still don't believe that he was really endorsing Romney, but I'm starting to think that there is something to all of this. First, there are the things that we have heard Clinton say. He has, at the very least, praised Romney as a business man which is not on message with what Obama is saying. Clinton has said the Bush tax cuts need to be extended, something Obama is vocally against. Clinton says we are in a recession while the Obama administration and democratic pundits are trying to create a brighter picture by saying we are in recovery. Then, Clinton comes out with his liking of Trump while the Obama administration is trying their hardest to make Trump a liability for Romney. None of these things are in agreement with Obama. Whether or not Clinton was ever an all or nothing Democrat, he IS a major fundraiser for the Obama campaign and IS advising Obama. As such, you would expect him to stay on course with the Obama campaign message, NOT go against it.

Now, there are the things that are hearsay. Like Bill trying to talk Hillary into running against Obama 2 years ago in front of dinner guests. Then, him telling conservative friends that they have 6 months to save the country. But, hearing what Clinton is saying, these "hearsay" comments look as if they could be credible. They provide the backdrop for the things he is saying now.

Clinton is more moderate than Obama...O is a liberal extremist...and this only plays into the hands of those of us who think Clinton is indeed talking out of both sides of his mouth and not being very supportive of Obama. Clinton is a very smart man and he knows what to say and what to avoid saying, therefore, I think that he is not saying these things by mistake. He means them and has a reason behind them. Clinton's words seem so out of place that if he were Bidden people would be shaking their heads and telling him behind closed doors to shut up and making fun of him in public.

debi

Tracey, Sarah Jessica Parker, I think~~

Clinton was never one to toe the company line for democrats though, even when he was president, and at least as far as politics go he is in a position where he doesn't have to. I remember quite a few times that he went against what the party leadership wanted.

I think it's fairly likely that he's just (shock! horror!) saying what he actually believes rather than what the party wants. I also don't believe for a minute that any of his actual comments are a "mistake", or that he meant anything other than what he said. Imagine the mayhem if both parties and candidates actually running right now did the same.

[debi]

Kay, I'm glad that they are continuing the purge of records. It's supposed to mean something to be a citizen and one of those things is the priviledge of the right to vote. Become a citizen and "you" can too. And, come on...if you're dead, get off the list!

Anita, I believe, too, that Clinton is saying what he believes. Do you find it surprising, tho, that what he's saying is the opposite of the guy he's out raising funds for? That's what makes me question why he's saying what he's saying? What is he hoping to accomplish by going against what Obama is saying? What happened to at least the semblence of a unified front for the purpose of re-election? Don't get me wrong, I like what he's saying, but, I'm not voting for Obama.

Just an aside, I've been really surprised by what Barbara Bush said is real friendship between 41 and Clinton (43 to an extent, too). I wouldn't have put those men together in a friendship. Raising money for the tsunami victims was one thing but a friendship?? It surprised me (it's not a bad thing...just a curious thing to me)

[reddog742]

Tracey, Sarah Jessica Parker, I think~~

Ah yes. Knowing that, I'm able to see the correlation. Thank you!

Just an aside, I've been really surprised by what Barbara Bush said is real friendship between 41 and Clinton (43 to an extent, too). I wouldn't have put those men together in a friendship.

Me either and I was just as surprised. It must be a mutual respect for one another that allows them to see past their political differences and form friendship. Men are much better at that than women, seeing past differences that is. Sometimes I think we get too bogged down in the details. Simply my opinion of course so don't flog me.

Tracey

[Sierra108]

Do you find it surprising, tho, that what he's saying is the opposite of the guy he's out raising funds for?

This reminds me of Mitt Romney's response regarding Donald Trump's stance on President Obama's birth certificate. I appreciate the honesty behind not agreeing with all supporters. Especially with all this birth certificate hogwash.

When asked about Trump’s remarks last week questioning whether Obama was born in the United States, Romney said he doesn’t agree with everything his supporters believe, but in the coming election he’ll need their support.

“You know I don’t agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don’t all agree with everything I believe in,” Romney told reporters on an airplane before taking off for a campaign appearances Tuesday in Colorado and Las Vegas. “But I need to get 50.1 percent or more and I'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people.”

Mitt Romney Says He Needs Donald Trump’s Support Despite Views on Obama’s Birth Certificate


Sorry, debi. Not Anita but thought I'd throw it into the mix.

Heather

[AnitaLaLouise]

Anita, I believe, too, that Clinton is saying what he believes. Do you find it surprising, tho, that what he's saying is the opposite of the guy he's out raising funds for? That's what makes me question why he's saying what he's saying? What is he hoping to accomplish by going against what Obama is saying? What happened to at least the semblence of a unified front for the purpose of re-election? Don't get me wrong, I like what he's saying, but, I'm not voting for Obama.

It doesn't really surprise me all that much that he's saying what he believes. He had to have been viewed as a bit of a wildcard. It does surprise me that the Obama campaign would be surprised by it though - who did they think they were getting? You want Clinton, this is the type of thing you should expect.

And even as far as liberal politics go, there are a LOT of moderates who don't really approve of the far left agenda. It's more likely (in my mind anyway) that Clinton is trying to drag the left back toward the center where there is more support than that he is a a double agent for the GOP.

[debi]

Hi, Heather~~

Yep, Trump has caused some waves with his birth certificate views. I see a number of differences, tho, between Trump and Clinton and why Clinton's remarks could be much more of a problem for O than Trumps for Romney. I'm not sure if that's what you were saying or not...it's just what came to my mind from your post.

*Clinton is disagreeing with Obama on policy stands or things that Obama is currently using as issues. Trumps view on the b c issue is a fringe issue and doesn't have anything to do with deciding specific policy or isn't a talking point for Romney.

*Clinton is a former president, pretty well liked, I would say, and I think very smart, cunning and politically savvy. Him coming out against his party's sitting president's current stand on policy is a big deal and under normal circumstances would be seen as competition and not standing firmly behind his candidate. Trump doesn't come close to having that kind of clout.

Yes, I think Clinton is harder to control and agree, Anita, that they should have known what they were getting, but who would ever guess that there would be a need to control someone who is firmly in your corner? Just my thinking... So, it makes me wonder how firmly in Obama's corner Clinton is. I think this is what this is all about. A man who could look in a camera, into the "eyes" of millions Americans, and tell us with such conviction that "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" could surely stir up the control to support his candidate with lies if nothing else if he so chose to and be very convincing. So, my question is, why didn't he? I don't think that it's because he is being honest. And, it's easy enough to stick to the talking points. He didn't want to stick to them. He's not happy with something. You could be right. Maybe he is trying to get the Democratic party back to more of a moderat position. Or, I think it's very possible, that he doesn't want him re-elected period. Maybe he feels that Romney is moderate enough at heart that he will be better for the country than O.

Clinton did walk one of his comments back but I'm unconvinced. He's too articulate to say something like that (tax cuts) without having thot it thru enough to have a firm opinion. He and Booker...

[Kay K]

Yeah Debi, Clinton said he was sorry and didn't realize the tax increases would go into effect until after the election. Well, everyone in the country knew that and I'm not buying that story. I wonder what happened, maybe Clinton was causing a problem for Hillary who is after all working for obama. Way too interesting, did you see the press conference? Obama is sticking to his failed policies, said the private sector is doing fine. He wants to spend more money though. Darn congress won't let him. Did he not see what just happened in Wisconsin? People want fiscal responsibility. Scott Walker risked his political career to fight for those people. Man, I'm proud of Governor Walker and the people of Wisconsin who voted for him.

[debi]

I'm thrilled with the WI outcome, Kay. It's so nice to see someone take a firm stand, stick to it and then be rewarded for it. I think a lot of Walker because of that. He even did very well among union households...38%, I think.

[debi]

Kay, supposedly Hillary won't be wanting her job back even if Obama wins a second term. If that's true, I wouldn't think there would be much to threaten over, but who knows? One way or another, Bill got it... Did you hear that Booker is in hot water, even after his walk back? Sounds like the Godfather: He's dead to us (heavy on the accent)

[Kay K]

Kay, supposedly Hillary won't be wanting her job back even if Obama wins a second term. If that's true, I wouldn't think there would be much to threaten over, but who knows? One way or another, Bill got it... Did you hear that Booker is in hot water, even after his walk back? Sounds like the Godfather: He's dead to us (heavy on the accent)

Really? I have to admit she doesn't look too good lately, I was talking to Paul about it, I told him I probably wouldn't look too good if I had to travel all over the world continually, dealing with foreign leaders, it is probably a difficult job.

I heard about Booker, they're going to throw him under the bus because he has not been clearing everything he says through the W.H. Yes the "he is dead to us" thing sounded like a bunch of Chicago gangsters are running the show, oh wait....